Hey guys just wanting to throw in some numbers for the pvp quest to put things in perspective!

If you EVER plan on buying 5 heroic summons with gems again the value of the quest reward is 1,350 gems. (270x5)

SO if you can spend less than 1,350 gems to finish the chain you are making a net gain (Aka no resources spent).

1,350 gems buys you roughly 24 refreshes spread out over 2 days which equates to 96 raids. If you add say 20 raids of free ones (Technically 24 but you lose some while refreshing), that gives a total of 116 raids. With 2000 required trophies you would need an average of 17 trophies per raid to "break even" aka spend as many gems as you earn in value (This ignores the fact you also get other rewards which also have value).

If you can average MORE than 17 trophies per raid, you are actually taking a net gem loss by not finishing the quest line since the opportunity cost of not doing the quest line is 1,350 gems. (Once again assuming you will somewhere down the line buy heroic summons with gems).

Sometimes it helps to just spell out the numbers XD Hope someone finds it useful.

Edit: I'm not sure how much refreshes cost for non VIP. The average trophies per raid required would go up if you don't have 20/40/60/80 refresh costs, but you can easily do the math for yourself to figure out what your target would be and if you think it's attainable.

Edit2: I just realized that we have three days not two days for this quest! That makes the break even trophy point lower. If you raided an equal amount over 3 days 1350 gems is roughly 27 refreshes or 108 raids + 30 free ones. This brings the break even point down to 15 trophies per raid. This suddenly makes the quest seem extremely reasonable.

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RenlyMember, Dungeon Boss Guru, Volunteer Moderator

I believe the last one requires 10 wins. Also, has anyone completed the Kill x Knights questline or PVE beast team questline? Do those rewards get better, or just remain MJ and Pig tokens?

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Completed both lupina and Julius questlines thanks for the awesome and relatively easy ways to get 10 heroics! A rough estimate of 650-700 gems in refreshes.. well worth it in my opinion lol and Btw sorry bracket.. I don't always go this hard in brackets =p

No issues using gems to refresh the Lupina quest. The rewards are well worth the spend. Already finished it. Not worth the spend to get 2k trophies in 3 days for a *skin*

I believe the last one requires 10 wins. Also, has anyone completed the Kill x Knights questline or PVE beast team questline? Do those rewards get better, or just remain MJ and Pig tokens?

@Frogatism You just went that hard in the last one! Lol

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edited September 2016

A skin is the equivalent to x5 heroic summons or 1,500 gems. You need 2,000 trophies total to complete the quest.

You get 12 free raids a day. You can get another 8 free raids a day for the total price of 400 aether. Thats 60 free raids before the event ends. @Frogatism needed 120 raids total to complete the quest, but he also did it early in the tournament when trophies/raid are much lower.

So lets lower the total raid amount to an even 100 raids... that means you need to come up with an extra 40 raids by the end of the Julius event. Thats a little more than three refreshes per day or 95 gems per day.

95 gems x 3 = 285 gems for a total of 5 heroic summons (or 1,500 gems). If you factor in 300 gems/day from the Tower you will still come out with a net-gain in gems per day and have a new skin or 5 heroic summons.

Disclaimer: math is hard and this could be wildly inaccurate

IGN: Renly DB Guru | OG Potato | Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne

“What I say is that, if a man really likes potatoes, he must be a pretty decent sort of fellow.”
― A.A. Milne

A skin is the equivalent to x5 heroic summons or 1,500 gems. You need 2,000 trophies total to complete the quest.

You get 12 free raids a day. You can get another 8 free raids a day for the total price of 400 aether. Thats 60 free raids before the event ends. @Frogatism needed 120 raids total to complete the quest, but he also did it early in the tournament when trophies/raid are much lower.

So lets lower the total raid amount to an even 100 raids... that means you need to come up with an extra 40 raids by the end of the Julius event. Thats a little more than three refreshes per day or 95 gems per day.

95 gems x 3 = 285 gems for a total of 5 heroic summons (or 1,500 gems). If you factor in 300 gems/day from the Tower you will still come out with a net-gain in gems per day and have a new skin or 5 heroic summons.

Disclaimer: math is hard and this could be wildly inaccurate

I feel like my post above where I did this was completely missed haha I spelled it out a little more clearly.

A skin is the equivalent to x5 heroic summons or 1,500 gems. You need 2,000 trophies total to complete the quest.

You get 12 free raids a day. You can get another 8 free raids a day for the total price of 400 aether. Thats 60 free raids before the event ends. @Frogatism needed 120 raids total to complete the quest, but he also did it early in the tournament when trophies/raid are much lower.

So lets lower the total raid amount to an even 100 raids... that means you need to come up with an extra 40 raids by the end of the Julius event. Thats a little more than three refreshes per day or 95 gems per day.

95 gems x 3 = 285 gems for a total of 5 heroic summons (or 1,500 gems). If you factor in 300 gems/day from the Tower you will still come out with a net-gain in gems per day and have a new skin or 5 heroic summons.

Disclaimer: math is hard and this could be wildly inaccurate

I feel like my post above where I did this was completely missed haha I spelled it out a little more clearly.

Hm, yes... quite right you are. Lets just say I was double checking your work then?

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Are you saying that the Climb quest gives you the Skin, AND 1350 gems? Or just that a skin is supposedly worth 1350 gems (which in my opinion it is not...its worth 270 when it first comes out in the portal)

Are you saying that the Climb quest gives you the Skin, AND 1350 gems? Or just that a skin is supposedly worth 1350 gems (which in my opinion it is not...its worth 270 when it first comes out in the portal)

They're saying that five heroic summons are worth 1350 gems.

Good job everybody that made sure they brought it up to the attention of higher ups that they accidentally released the dungeons. I know sarcasm doesn't convey through text, however I hope you realize that was clearly sarcasm. When A game screws up in your favor you don't rub it in so they rush to get it fixed. Use some common sense. Let your guild mates know and keep your mouths shut on the forums.

Good job everybody that made sure they brought it up to the attention of higher ups that they accidentally released the dungeons. I know sarcasm doesn't convey through text, however I hope you realize that was clearly sarcasm. When A game screws up in your favor you don't rub it in so they rush to get it fixed. Use some common sense. Let your guild mates know and keep your mouths shut on the forums.

Sooooo since the Therand glitch that was a while back, which allowed him to one shot everything, was kinda in our favor, we should've kept our mouths shut?

Good job everybody that made sure they brought it up to the attention of higher ups that they accidentally released the dungeons. I know sarcasm doesn't convey through text, however I hope you realize that was clearly sarcasm. When A game screws up in your favor you don't rub it in so they rush to get it fixed. Use some common sense. Let your guild mates know and keep your mouths shut on the forums.

Aaaaand it's gone

Like the devs don't know what is going on, like with the portal glitch and the timezone glitch, Therand glitch, Tower glitch day, and aaaaaall the other glitches

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If you EVER plan on buying 5 heroic summons with gems again the value of the quest reward is 1,350 gems. (270x5)

SO if you can spend less than 1,350 gems to finish the chain you are making a net gain (Aka no resources spent).

1,350 gems buys you roughly 24 refreshes spread out over 2 days which equates to 96 raids. If you add say 20 raids of free ones (Technically 24 but you lose some while refreshing), that gives a total of 116 raids. With 2000 required trophies you would need an average of 17 trophies per raid to "break even" aka spend as many gems as you earn in value (This ignores the fact you also get other rewards which also have value).

If you can average MORE than 17 trophies per raid, you are actually taking a net gem loss by not finishing the quest line since the opportunity cost of not doing the quest line is 1,350 gems. (Once again assuming you will somewhere down the line buy heroic summons with gems).

Sometimes it helps to just spell out the numbers XD Hope someone finds it useful.

Edit: I'm not sure how much refreshes cost for non VIP. The average trophies per raid required would go up if you don't have 20/40/60/80 refresh costs, but you can easily do the math for yourself to figure out what your target would be and if you think it's attainable.

Edit2: I just realized that we have three days not two days for this quest! That makes the break even trophy point lower. If you raided an equal amount over 3 days 1350 gems is roughly 27 refreshes or 108 raids + 30 free ones. This brings the break even point down to 15 trophies per raid. This suddenly makes the quest seem extremely reasonable.

I believe the last one requires 10 wins. Also, has anyone completed the Kill x Knights questline or PVE beast team questline? Do those rewards get better, or just remain MJ and Pig tokens?

RenlyDB Guru | OG Potato | Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne

“What I say is that, if a man really likes potatoes, he must be a pretty decent sort of fellow.”

― A.A. Milne

Completed both lupina and Julius questlines thanks for the awesome and relatively easy ways to get 10 heroics! A rough estimate of 650-700 gems in refreshes.. well worth it in my opinion lol and Btw sorry bracket.. I don't always go this hard in brackets =p

The last one requires 10. The rest are 2 wins

Just tokens.

Last Piggy quest is 30 dungeons for 10 tokens.

You get 12 free raids a day. You can get another 8 free raids a day for the total price of 400 aether. Thats 60 free raids before the event ends. @Frogatism needed 120 raids total to complete the quest, but he also did it early in the tournament when trophies/raid are much lower.

So lets lower the total raid amount to an even 100 raids... that means you need to come up with an extra 40 raids by the end of the Julius event. Thats a little more than three refreshes per day or 95 gems per day.

95 gems x 3 = 285 gems for a total of 5 heroic summons (or 1,500 gems). If you factor in 300 gems/day from the Tower you will still come out with a net-gain in gems per day and have a new skin or 5 heroic summons.

Disclaimer: math is hard and this could be wildly inaccurate

RenlyDB Guru | OG Potato | Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne

“What I say is that, if a man really likes potatoes, he must be a pretty decent sort of fellow.”

― A.A. Milne

I feel like my post above where I did this was completely missed haha I spelled it out a little more clearly.

#freebvsHm, yes... quite right you are. Lets just say I was double checking your work then?

RenlyDB Guru | OG Potato | Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne

“What I say is that, if a man really likes potatoes, he must be a pretty decent sort of fellow.”

― A.A. Milne

I want to make sure I'm reading this right.

The massive PVP Julius quest ends Weds or Thursday.

But the Lupina one ends next Monday right?

I need to do lower trophy raids for Lupina so this is important for me to know.

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They're saying that five heroic summons are worth 1350 gems.

Sooooo since the Therand glitch that was a while back, which allowed him to one shot everything, was kinda in our favor, we should've kept our mouths shut?

FINAL BOSS OFFICERAaaaand it's gone

Just MJ and Pig tokens, nothing special like Lupinas.

RenlyDB Guru | OG Potato | Rightful Heir to the Iron Throne

“What I say is that, if a man really likes potatoes, he must be a pretty decent sort of fellow.”

― A.A. Milne