Remove Tenacity

Why is this even still around. It gives defenders too much of an advantage. Remove it from MK. He is difficult enough to deal with as it is.

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  • Or at least make no epic procs on Tenacity
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  • farfella wrote: »
    Or at least make no epic procs on Tenacity
    Remove epic procs from everything but basic attacks: revenge, beloved, pack tactics, animate dead, tenacity, etc.

  • TENACITY DOEN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE
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  • farfella wrote: »
    Or at least make no epic procs on Tenacity
    Remove epic procs from everything but basic attacks: revenge, beloved, pack tactics, animate dead, tenacity, etc.
    No no no. That removes the whole purpose of having a epic, being able to use it in multiple ways. If they are removed from all those things then epics will only be around to buff your char, since in pvp you would be using your special attacks more than your basic. I do agree, kira cannot be crit on at full asendsion he has max dodge without you laying a finger on his dodge stats. The only way to murder him is a dark fast hero, and thats only if you get lucky that he doesnt have his epic because otherwise he would be too tanky to kill whith haunted past or just a taste. And heaven forbid his defense/health stats being buffed by runes. Kira is overpowered, he does need a nerf rather remove wushu or tenacity. Heck, remove both a.a

  • . Kira is overpowered, he does need a nerf rather remove wushu or tenacity.

    It's funny, for being overpowered, he's rarely on defenses at level 70.

    Seems there's much more powerful heroes than MK.
  • Pros: Another MK worshiper? Why do people even think he can do something when they know that dark shroud and ferno destroys him?
    No0bz: OMG MK OpOpOpOpOpOoppOPp.

    To be serious and absolve this problem, use kobal in the very first slot. So when MK uses death blossom it will always hit kobal and kill him. This will disease all opponents if kobal is fully ascended.
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  • That is a brilliant idea. But just in case, put Shade Shadowblade and Hopper on there so they do a lot of damage to him.
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  • I use mk on offense sometimes... maybe on defense if I really need some help and want to try something new. Many heroes do more damage than he. His only advantage is being fast aoe.
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  • danac wrote: »
    . Kira is overpowered, he does need a nerf rather remove wushu or tenacity.

    It's funny, for being overpowered, he's rarely on defenses at level 70.

    Seems there's much more powerful heroes than MK.
    Your right,there are stronger heros but not ones with those stats and fast, with a twice hitting aoe so if the first shot didnt one shot you the second dang right will. In light teams shadow heros wont even apply extra damage, so your gonna have to ride out his damage since he has already murdered most of your fast heros, unless you have a kira on YOUR team. A well damage build on kira is a monster for hard hitters that arent tanks, its only counter would be a shade team, but i dont have my shade fa yet. i dont even have hopper rn. You could bring kobal yes, but grog gnog is used in pvp alot ahot is tankyness so your gonna get slowed, you cant bring your silencers because torchy and indigo will get killed by kira. So its really hard to kill a team with one kira on it, unless you have your shade fa because then you have dark shroud. A level 12 epic on kira will have him with good defense, and health btw. It is even harder when black diamond is on the team, because now kira is gonna have a 90% chance he will crit on everyone he hits, go forbid another fast aoe is on the team. Dont say bring kai, because he all know how much he has been countered during the updates and changes during the last few months. Zen and Shade. Sorry for such a long reply, but i was kinda rambling about how over powered kai teams are. Dont get me started with the shade and hopper teams a.a
    (im talking about for every hit he does, there is a 90% chance he will crit on you besides the math numbers a.a)
  • danac wrote: »
    . Kira is overpowered, he does need a nerf rather remove wushu or tenacity.

    It's funny, for being overpowered, he's rarely on defenses at level 70.

    Seems there's much more powerful heroes than MK.
    Your right,there are stronger heros but not ones with those stats and fast, with a twice hitting aoe so if the first shot didnt one shot you the second dang right will......

    Most of those problems disappear at level 70. Except for the very nastiest MKs, most of you team with one or two defensive runes will survive his first hit. Even with bad MKs, you can counter with Kobal or Ferno now.
    Off the top of my head, here's my priority to kill order, depending on the team: Shade Koros Shadowblade Hopper Viperia Gnog MK.

    I'll grant at lower levels he might be more of a problem, things are different down there.

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  • I like Matsuta Kira just the way he is. $.02
  • I feel like I am cheating whenever MK uses tenacity. I put a haste rune on him which sometimes procs during tenacity. I feel very bad about what happens.
  • New nature rune will have haste as 4th trait. I don't know if I'd waste it on MK...



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  • danac wrote: »
    . Kira is overpowered, he does need a nerf rather remove wushu or tenacity.

    It's funny, for being overpowered, he's rarely on defenses at level 70.

    Seems there's much more powerful heroes than MK.

    I am level 70, fight levels 70s a lot in my bracket and MK is everywhere.

    Unless I come across someone with no idea about defence or just Lol-ing, every defence is either Shade, MK, both, Solaris+beasts or that Ferno/bauble monstrosity. Rarely even see reptile teams anymore. Shows how far ahead a few heroes are that the reptiles don't stack up.
  • JackHallow666JackHallow666 Member, Dungeon Boss Guru, Volunteer Moderator
    The reason I don't like Tenacity isn't because it makes him OP, but it makes him unpredictable. And not just when I'm fighting him, when he's on my team. Sometimes you have to time your abilities, watch your cooldowns, and make sure your healers always have a heal ready to use. MK disrupts this order by randomly messing up attack order. It's just annoying for both user, and opponent. What I suggest is that Tenacity proc every 4th turn, predictably. And also no Epic attacks or abilities can be used with Tenacity.
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  • Turn one: MK Death Blossom... Tenacity procs, MK Vibrating Palm
    Turn two: MK Dim Mak.... Tenacity procs, MK Epic Attack for 4x dmg and Nerve Dmg


    Give Tenacity to poor Sifu and Black Diamond along with Wushu.

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  • kalamadea wrote: »

    #MNGA = Make Ninjas Great Again

    my favorite MNGA is Blade of the Immortal and Pluto.
  • Give tenacity to solaris, he sux right now
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  • Give tenacity to solaris, he sux right now

    Yeah! And maybe give Solaris Abs of Steel, Fire Shroud (Dark shroud but for fire heroes), Ethereal, Plant Growth, and Shifty VII. He might be used then. Just maybe.
  • NobodyPi wrote: »
    Give tenacity to solaris, he sux right now

    Yeah! And maybe give Solaris Abs of Steel, Fire Shroud (Dark shroud but for fire heroes), Ethereal, Plant Growth, and Shifty VII. He might be used then. Just maybe.

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  • Bloth wrote: »
    Why is this even still around. It gives defenders too much of an advantage. Remove it from MK. He is difficult enough to deal with as it is.

    No.
    I do not want my life's work nerfed.
    Just no.
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  • JackHallow666JackHallow666 Member, Dungeon Boss Guru, Volunteer Moderator
    NobodyPi wrote: »
    Give tenacity to solaris, he sux right now

    Yeah! And maybe give Solaris Abs of Steel, Fire Shroud (Dark shroud but for fire heroes), Ethereal, Plant Growth, and Shifty VII. He might be used then. Just maybe.

    Dont forget secret to eternal life

    Don't forget Solaris isn't a 'he'!
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  • There are plenty of other overpowered heroes to nerf. MK is not one of them. He is fine the way he is.
  • jimwymr wrote: »
    There are plenty of other overpowered heroes to nerf. MK is not one of them. He is fine the way he is.

    Yeah, actually. Surprising MK isn't much of a problem anymore. However, Tenacity still makes no sense and is unnecessary so IMO it should be gone. But there are higher priorities.
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